So, I want to scream sometimes. Seriously. Let me give everyone out there two pieces of free legal advice. First, stop consenting to searches! Just stop. I don't care what the cops 'threaten' you with. Better to pay a tow bill or spend a night in jail than consent. You have the right to say "no". Especially when you know your car is full of drugs or weapons, just say NO! For God's sake. Let's play a little game. Cop: can I search your car? You: Do you have a warrant? Cop: No, but if you don't consent I will get one and tow your car and detain you. You: You do not have my consent. You may not search. Simple right? For God's sake people. Second. Stop talking. I am going to teach my children that the ONLY words out of their mouth when approached by a cop are to be: I WANT A LAWYER. That's it. No explanation, no delay, no substitution. I want a lawyer. You have no statements to make. Yes, you can give your name. Yes, you need to provide a breath sample in the datamaster if you arrested for DUI. But you don't need to do FST's. You don't need to explain yourself in anyway. And don't just say I don't want to talk. Say it with me now. I WANT A LAWYER! Of course, people will still be intimidated by the cops and continue to give "consent" and blab like babies. And I will continue to pay for gas and milk and my mortgage because of it. But I don't get it. Especially in drug and sex cases....don't confess. Don't give consent. Demand your rights. Possession of any amount of most controlled substances is a FELONY in Alaska. Most sex cases are a LIFE SENTENCE for a first offense. So please. Learn to shut the hell up! You can't count on anyone else in the system protecting you. I will try but when you consent and then confess, there is often little I can do.

Comments

Dan said…
You damn well know the police don't catch the smart criminals. No one is gonna listen to you, Ben. Lawyers have been giving this same advice for decades. Majority of criminals are STUPID and don't listen. Otherwise they wouldn't be criminals. Right?
jLow said…
and if the asswipes were smart to begin with, they wouldn't break the law. For every idiot you defend, you're supporting your family. Lucky for you they breed. Job security, man. For my cop husband, too.
Dan, I know. I know. Jlow. I look at the bigger picture. I don't assume that everyone is guilty. And I'm worried about the attitude some people have that "well I don't break the law, so the cops will never kick in my door". History has shown with millions and millions of corpses that is not true. My clients may not be "vicims" but that assumes that everyone the cops deal with are guilty. Or guilty as charged. They are not.
jLow said…
Ben (?) it sounds like you have been exposed to some pretty corrupt law enforcement. But not all cops and/or departments are corrupt. I don't have stats, but I would be very surprised if more than a minute percentage of convicted persons were the victims of corruption from the street cop all the way through the prosecutor through the jury through the judge through the appeals process. And not knowing how other states handle their licensing, my husband must walk a very tight line on every call due to civil liberties. His Texas peace officer license would be jeopardized if he violated anyone's rights, criminal or not. His job is critical to our family's survival. He MUST have probable cause to initiate any contact of any kind. Maybe I have too much confidence in the legal system (public defenders included) to think that a truly innocent person would not be exonerated.
Anonymous said…
I've lived in Houston. It is not known for its clean street cops. Nor its fair jury trials (see Burdine "sleeping lawyer" case). To me, if a cops says something's true, I take that with the same huge grain of salt that I would a gang member.
Anonymous said…
Do you *need* to provide a breath sample for DUI? It was my understanding that if you refused, all that would happen is that you lose your license (in Alaska anyway) but it was not a criminal offense.
Anonymous said…
It's called a "refusal" and is punishable in the exact same way as a DUI. In fact, a conviction of a refusal acts a prior DUI for the purposes of sentencing on a second DUI. If you knowingly refuse to give a breath sample, you basically have no defense and you get screwed with a DUI.
jlow, I respect your views on this but we will just have to agree to disagree I am afraid. Im not sure that you will ever see my point of view. I don't think it is a small percentage of cops, I think it is most. Cops see the world in two groups: scum and cops and their families. That's it. And yes, a refusal is just as bad as a DUI in Alaska. You do NOT have to make any statements but you do have to provide a sample.
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jLow said…
Okay. We can agree to disagree. But your statement that "most cops" are bad is akin to "most public defenders are just shitty lawyers."
Anonymous said…
JLow, where do I begin with you....So many avenues, so many paths, so many angles. Let's start with your handle, JLow, hate it, horrible moniker, yet it does reflect your depth of intellect when compared to the other dipshit that goes by JLo, her movies and music are equally as horrible as your comments. So I am off to a good start. Now for what really bugs me. You sound EXACTLY like a cop or worse a cop's wife. Coinages like, "asswipe" reflect the typical "We know what's best for the others that don't toe the line in the exact manner we want them to" Hey Chad, "That asswhipe tried to give me a fake name" "No shit, let's throw a felony, hindering prosecution his way and see how that fag likes it!" You seem like a real warm, compassionate, empathic typical Christian with insights like that. So anyone that breaks the law is an idiot, asswhipe that deserves to have his freedom striped away from him, taken away from his family and loved ones, and controlled by the lowest rung of human beings in my opinion, cops and correction officers. Let me take a side street here and give you my opinion on cops. No one, I repeat no one sets out to be a cop, they simply settle for being one, since they cannot compete in any other sort of competitive job market. They don't create anything, they do nothing worthwhile. They say they are there to protect, yet there are not legally bound to do so; at best they are aging hall monitors with chips on their shoulders, because they weren't that good at sports, they weren't exactly bright, and they didn't get to fuck the prom queen. They are the epitome of mediocrity. Not one thing unique among 'em. Ok, now back to the ring. I love the way you dismiss the plight, pain, and imprisonment of those community members that make some bad decisions in their lives and now are caught up in a cold, gutless, system of disconnected, delusional cowards; comprised of DA's, Cops, Judges, and other social control agents. -- Continued
Anonymous said…
I would be willing to bet every crack rock in the ghetto that you are a church-going Christian. Turn the page. So if these lowly law breaking swine lose their freedom, it's no big deal, at least it keeps you off the streets and your husband employed; boy those coppers sure bring in the big bucks, huh. As for corrupt cops, yes there are plenty of them, but those don't bother me, it's the rest of the goofballs, that tell little white lies because they just know the person is guilty; they exaggerate, fabricate, say they smell things, coerce witnesses, taint witness testimony, fuck up most investigations, and most off all they simply are day to day assholes. And you are absolutely, positively, without a doubt, quite for certain delusional if you honestly think that an innocent person could not be convicted. Take a look no further than the red-neck Wyatt Earp, can't kill a black man fast enough state of Texas. How many people have they killed or gotten off death row that have been found to be innocent? Can sense the loathing within my expression; at least I hope you can. I sincerely, with all my heart, hate with the ute most degree your type of mindset and mentality. It is your mentality that will eventually choke the best parts of humanity out of existence. You do realize that without deviant behavior; that is behavior deemed to counter the status-quo's consent, that we wouldn't have any advances in science, nor America, or any sort of innovation. Innovation and creativity, art, music, entertainment and the very essence of progress hinges upon the criminal mindset. Galileo,criminal, Coprinus, criminal, Columbus, criminal, Thomas Jefferson, criminal, Ben Franklin, criminal, John fucking Adams, criminal. None of those men toed the line; asswhipes, idiots! Or how about the civil right protesters that got the ever loving shit beat out of them by men exactly like your noble husband. I can't imagine the world your types must "live" in, I quote live because it's just doesn't really fit right. Exist, perhaps. The most fucked up, sorta of humorous part of your mentality is the fact that you guys think you are actually the "good guys", I believe that's what pisses me off the most. Cops are overwhelmingly over-utilized, incompetent, uncaring, uncritical, and for the greater most part, unnecessary. Yet, society is socialized to believe that we need them to uphold the integrity of the nation, its markets, its productivity. It's a fucking joke, a bad, bad joke. You really need to take the appropriate time necessary to perhaps find your heart. We are all interrelated and interdependent. So what if people don't live the lives according to your own set parameters? The infringement is 10,000 times the crime itself. The only true crime is when an individual directly infringes upon another's pursuits and the unfolding of his/her potential; that's it! The key word being "direct", take way the word direct and that sort of sentiment can apply to every situation. If the powers that be really wanted to save lives, they would ban alcohol, tobacco, guns, driving over 30, swimming pools, saturated fats, un-mandated sexual intercourse, hmmm let's see, you can think of others. All of those things are next. Law like life is progressive, it builds and builds. You know why? Because fat, subjective, uncritical thinking men/women have too much fucking time on their hands and they must do something. Do you think Congress could just sit there idle session in, session out? Hell no!! Gotta make up some laws, what the hell else they gonna do with their time. And yes, it's all for our safety, right. I would give up anything, to separate the country, into two groups, those they want more laws and subsequent enforcement, and those who just don't give a fuck. Wall, the I don't give a fucks out and police all the Ned Flanders you want within your Nazi, police state. Have I made my position clear?

Risin' Outlaw
Anonymous said…
jLow (and everyone else for that matter), please immediately rent 'Murder On A Sunday Morning' and check out www.innocenceproject.org. & may your children never be accused of a crime they didn't commit. (And let us not forget, that even if they did commit the crime--they are still human and have rights)
jLow said…
@ Anonymous: Anything said/written by someone who will not own it and only identifies themselves as "anonymous" is irrelevant and disregarded. J. Low

(It's my first initial and last name, Einstein.)
Anonymous said…
That's a good way to ignore the substance of an argument. Just like how the British should have simply ignored Benjamin Franklin as he proceeded under a pen name. Does that really blunt the stinging truth of it for you?
Anonymous said…
I enjoy anonymity; at times. I have learned throughout the years after bashing countless status-quoers, that they are quite petty, unreasonable, and therefore spiteful and will behave in bizarre manners, examples; freakshow gets feelings hurt, freakshow, googles the offenders name, freakshow gets phone number, freakshow relentlessly calls or attempts in some other fashion to seek vengeance. I am sorry though dear, I didn't know that you needed a formal name to gain relevance. I also figured that you would disregard any sort of criticism in the first place, as that's what you people do, you lack any sort of drive to look inside and see how you contribute to the ills of society. So many folks lack basic self-awareness, or even the desire to become self-aware in the first place. It's the world that's the problem, it's never their inner landscape.

Risin' Outlaw
Dan said…
Anonymous, you're no Ben Franklin and jLow is not the British Crown. Get over your self-importance.
Anonymous said…
Just to clear up the Anonymous, I have added my Pen name at the bottom of all my posts, just so one at least has the idea of uniformity.
Anonymous said…
Dan, like any good prosecutor, you've completely missed the point. There's a forest through them trees, city boy.
jLow said…
Ben, I was just engaging in lively conversation. It was not my intent to invite the venomous rantings of whoever he/she/it is to your posting.

My apologies.
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Anonymous said…
JtotheLow,

My post was not venomous toward you whatsoever, my focus was on your mentality toward our community members that don't fit neatly into your framework. Blind conformity with the blatant disregard for critical thought is inexcusable. And one other thing, just so you know as I am sure you've already cast me off as a liberal or some other self-deemed negative label. I am hardly a liberal, and hardly a conservative, life doesn't fit into a neat, clean box; we are a mixture of dynamic variables. There are people out there, albeit a small group, that are passionate for TRUE liberty, freedom, critical thought and progression through the scientific progress and mindset. I grow very tired of this country and it's lazy, uncritical thinkers that hinder true reform and compassionate, responsible government. And no, I am not talking about Welfare. One major aspect of this, is that there are a group of people that are so easily socialized, manipulated to believe that we need a bad guy. The baby boomers exalted this idea to the max. We need a bad guy, our movies portray good guys vs bad guys, through war movies, through getting the bad drug dealer, and now, through getting the terrorists. The fat, MCDonalds eating, American Idol, Greys Anatomy watching status quoers need there bad guy!!! Don't worry your government will make one up for you, that is if you haven't already made up a dozen or more. Truth is, there are no enemies, only us. No such thing as the bad guy. You want to do the world a favor, mind your own fucking business, and focus on how YOU can provide value to your family, community, and therefore the state. I know you won't even give this a second thought. I could write the script. So, again, don't take this as personal. I do not know you in any sort of personal fashion, it is not my desire to personally attack you, for you. I fight against the momentum of lost liberty, and I am afraid that I lose that fight daily.

Now for the clown who keeps attempting to cast a name against my chosen anonymity. I am not this Marc Theiler in your claim. Although I am sure he wouldn't be pleased to know that someone threw his name into the ring. I chose to not reveal my name, not because of being a pussy, like you, but because I fully comprehend how potential freakshow, unreasonable individuals react to hearing someone express themselves without censor. The name is not important, what I am expressing is, yet somehow that is lost on most folks; quite typical.

R'O
Anonymous said…
"asswipes" is "lively conversation" and not venomous. "Lucky for you 'they' breed". Not venomous. Double standard?
I did delete the post. The rant was not by me and therefore I don't think it is appropriate to post the name of someone who choses to remain anonymous. You all know my position on anonymous comments, but unless the person claiming it is a specific person wishes to base that claim on information, I don't see it is appropriate. I sure as hell don't feel like having some liability over it. Let's just calm down.
Dan said…
R'O - I'm not a prosecutor.
Dan said…
R'P - no one is actually reading your long comments.
jLow's Husband a.k.a. A good Cop said…
@Anonymous- DUDE! Who do you call when someone breaks into your car, house, business? Hurts your family members? Robs you, jacks your ride?..Your "blanket hatred" for Police Officers is nuts! How long were you institutionalized? I have been an officer for 17 years..and I ASPIRED to be one..I didn't "settle"...and here's one for you.. I HAVE NEVER LIED ON THE STAND, MADE UP PROBABLE CAUSE. I do actually believe in "innocent until proven guilty" I make the same for zero arrest as I do for 100...unfortunately for people like you, the number is never zero.I simply follow the evidence..if your innocent your innocent..if your guilty, your guilty. I have had some of my best relationships with DEFENSE attorneys and public Defenders...Your comments and opinions are completely off base, as for your comments towards my wife...she can and does fight her own battles. Is your hatred for cops extend to a hatred for women? As you say you can tell the kind of world we "live" in...Guess what pal, I know the world that you "live" in, too. I would prefer not to take the personal attack route with you because that would make be no better than you..Rising Outlaw? Seriously? and youre proud of that handle? Good luck pal..hope you find something to make your life worthwhile...Best of luck to you, and I mean that.
-jLow's Husband...a.k.a. "A Good Cop"
jLow's husband-a.k.a. A Good Cop said…
@ Dan- just an FYI- I have many friends that ARE NOT cops..I can promise you that I dont view everyone as "scum" "cops" or "family"..I will go one step farther..I have some family that are "scum" and I have known some officers that were/are "scum"...I am a loyal friend. I am a person that chose to carry a badge..not a badge attached to a person. I am a father, husband, patriot and man of god..all before I am a Cop. I truly believe in what I do. I never take for granted the honor in putting on the badge and going out to do the job. I also believe in credibility and know that if I am to be a career officer that at the end of the day thats all that I really have. I do believe in following the clues and evidence. I will not, have not and will never make an "feather legged" arrest. If all of the elements are not meant..I dont arrest. To unjustly deprive someone of their basic right of freedom is not a "power" that I take lightly. To follow up, well over 95% of my arrest take pleas...most at the advise of their lawyers. I make strong, clean, good cases. I know that we too will probably have to agree to disagree. I respect your opinion and your certainly entitled to it. Just know there are a lot of good cops out there, just as there are alot of good attorneys out there..both defense and prosecutors. Im sure not all of your clients are guilty..and I understand that you have a duty to give them the best representation possible even if they admit guilt to you...You dont say how long you have been an attorney. Thanks for sharing your views and opinions..you are thought provoking for sure. Best of luck-
jLow's Husband- a.k.a. A Good Cop
Anonymous said…
Good Cop,

Just reviewed your post. I am a bit busy to adequately reply a semi-thought out post. Perhaps I will later when it's more convenient. I will just say this. If it were up to me I wouldn't call the cops for anything, they usually offer no particular assistance unless it's very easy for them to do so. I would rather take care of my issues myself, yet in this system we can't do that because the government has taken away that ability. For instance, some one breaks into my car, I spot them, confront them, beat the shit out of them. I am now the criminal. Hell, folks can't even sort out their own issues for themselves, heaven forbid two brothers get into a fist fight nowadays, domestic assault! Ohhh, what fun. Hell, you can't even tell a guy that is driving like a moron, to fuck off, oooh there' s a fear assault. And this is just the beginning. We have now created a culture that protects the asshole. And you know who's protected the most? The police! They can lie, steal, grope, kill, etc. with little to no recourse. I could seriously sit down and put down page after page of examples. You may think you are a good cop, and by all accounts you very well may be. Yet your kind aren't as necessary as you would like to believe. I am sorry, you just aren't. And it's not that I am anti-government and completely anti-cop. Laws and enforcement are needed, just not to this extent. Do you not understand the word arbitrary - the key word in the definition of liberty. In my opinion, you had better have an exceptionally good reason to tear people away from their families. Your types have never spent a day in confinement or have had any issues with someone taking away your basic freedoms, if you did you may be singing a different tune. Not everyone is as rule-oriented and conforming as you and your ilk. And thank Allah, for that, or else you'd have nothing great in humanity. Look at the atrocities committing in the name of conformity. A long, dark list there bro.

And again, this isn't personally directed at anyone, or even hateful, yet I can see how someone could take it that way. I am not oblivious to that. As for finding something worthwhile, I absolutely could not have a better life. I love myself, love my family, love those in my life, and love every second of everyday, that is the main reason I am so passionate about this issues. It breaks my heart to know other people arbitrarily get their freedoms taken away from them, while people like your wife look down on them and issue names like asswipe, and idiot. I would be willing to bet, you guys have your own oddities that someone could point there finger at in shame. We all do. I am not perfect by any stretch, but I know one thing for absolute certainty. I authentically and sincerely want the best for each and everyone on the planet. Everyone deserves to live their life in the exact manner they wish, just as long as they are not DIRECTLY infringing on another's pursuits and/or well-being. Yet, we can't seem to let people do that, and that's where you come in...

R'O - Not coined for any other reason than "outlaw" in thought. Outlaw against the subjective, uncritical frameworks of the status-quo.
Anonymous said…
I just wanted to say this as well, again not much time here.... When dialogue and exchanges like this get heated, most folks want to take a step back desire a "return" to normalcy. Statements will be made in an attempt to calm the waters, human beings have an overwhelming propensity to restore normalcy to social exchange. I am not one of those people. If you have something to say, say it in the exact fashion you feel to the best of your ability, to hell with what anyone thinks; all that I ask is that you don't react and retort with uncritical, typical responses, they are boring and can be scripted as this is what a typical person will do. Just take the time to really think about what you want to say, and say it exactly how you feel. My desire is not to have anyone agree with me or to change opinions or perceptions. My desire is to address what needs to be addressed and offer perhaps an alternative angle; to the best of my ability. I am not always right, and often I can change my mind in a blink of an eye should a more reasoned retort emerge. Free exchange, no matter how heated or conflicted is what makes relating exciting, innovative, and at times poignant.

R'O
Cop husband: You may a good guy and a good cop. Here are my two questions. First, what do you do in the face of unjust laws? Do you simply enforce them and say that is "my job"? And second what sense of discretion do you bring? I don't really expect an answer but those are my main problems with the police. Whatever the government says to do to the People, they do. No defense lawyer ever shoved someone onto a cattle car. Or beat a confession out of someone. Or stopped a car because the driver was black. Or planted drugs. Or turned the firehoses on someone. Or any of things that cops do.
Anonymous said…
as for unjust laws..I agree some are. Here is one small example; I dont think adults should be MADE to wear seatbelts...its free will and they know the consequences they could endure. I do wear mine..I DON NOT ENFORCE THAT LAW. Its my discretion.
Second, the discretion that I bring is this: I take each and every call serious. I spend as much time as required to see what assistance my complainant needs. I have done everything from listen, to get snakes out of their homes, to giving them a ride to town. I am a public servant..and thats what people pay taxes for. IF a crime exist and I can prove my case through a complete, thorough and unbiased investigation..then I will look at the elements of the offense. If the elements are met (not barely met)..thoroughly met, then I will make an arrest. If sometimes there is not complete evidence and I'm not completely comfortable with the situation I will "shelve" the case, look for more evidence or refer it to a grand jury.
I have never beat a confession out of someone, stopped a driver because he is black or any other color, never turned a firehose on anybody..and NEVER planted drugs or any other contraband. Thats not how I work. I have let people go that I knew for a fact were guilty because I could not meet all of the elements sufficiently. I have faced the wrath for doing so as well....but would still do it again.
I know you said that you didnt expect an answer..but I felt compelled to answer. Im the first one to agree that many officers are very over zelous and act way to hastily..I can help what they do if they dont work with me or for me...but I assure you that the ones I have trained and employed towed the line or were dismissed. Thanks for your comments.
jLow's husband a.k.a. A Good Cop
Anonymous said…
@R'O-
I understand about handling things yourself...I agree that "some" vigalante justice would be acceptable, but unfortunately people have and will take it too far. Where would you draw the line? Murders, child molesters, petty thieves? Laws must exist, and someone must enforce them.
I agree that it is the worst type of injustice if somebody is taken from their family and incarcerated and innocent. It does happen and far too often. Thats why I do support things like the innocence project. I think far to often a lot of cops act to soon simply to clear a case or for stats. Thats where I am different. You have no reason to believe me and every reason to doubt me...While I dont expect to change your mind, I will so that many "blanket" statements are unfair. Just as if I were to say "all criminals" are scum. A person that steals food to feed their family because they lost their job is not "scum"..the single mother that writes a hot check to keep her electricity turned on or to put gas in her car to get to her minimum wage job is not "scum". The guy that molests his 5 year old stepdaughter or shoots somebody over a crack rock...THOSE are scum! But, they still have rights, they must not be treated any more harsh or have their civil rights violated. They do however have to answer to their peers (i.e. the jury ) for their crimes...thats where I come in. I prove up my case by following the evidence thoroughly, completely and unbiased..I present the facts as they unfold.
As for your statements about "calming the water"...as a keeper of the peace, I would be guilty of that. I like to have my thoughts provoked-but not at the cost trampling others rights to their opinions too, not matter how wrong I feel they may be. They are entitled to their opinions thats part of the good ol' constitution. AND THAT MY FRIEND IS SOMETHING I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND TIL THE END OF MY DAYS.Have a nice day!
jLow's husband- A.K.A. A Good Cop
Anonymous said…
Good Cop,

Thanks for your comments, they seem sincere and I will take you for your word on how you deal with people. I certainly do believe there are compassionate, descent police officers out there, just like in any profession. My issue is with the over policing and the over legislating of every single facet of every little element of our lives. Humans are not allowed to sort out even minor disputes for themselves. I have been all over the world, spent time in virtually every type of environment from the exceptionally rich, to the hardcore ghettos, to the redneck backwoods of the South, and I find that the overwhelming majority of people, whether law breakers or law conformers are not scum or "bad" people, they are just people researching for the exact same things. Much more similar than different. I believe I can count on one hand the truly shitty, scumbag bags I have run across. But yes they are out there, and I do not have much compassion for the truly mean-spirited, yet often this is a yielding of mental-illness coupled with poor environment. As I am sure you'll agree, it all starts in the family, all of our ills, all of our issues, almost everything begins in the family. I believe we simply need serious reform with how we deal with each other, especially the substance abusers and the mentally ill. Prosecution and confinement do not work, in fact it leads to the creation of a criminal identify and facilitates more criminal behavior. If I were in charge, I'd cut the police force by 60%, pay the remaining officers, 50% more, and increase the criteria for being a law enforcement agent. Again, I believe too much power is placed into the hands of buffoons, even if there are some outstanding, exceptional police officers, the criteria and benchmarks for excellence don't seem to be very high. I also don't see much science in police enforcement. I read investigation, after investigation, and interview after interview and I see huge mistakes and unethical behavior time and time again, which in turn hinders both defense and prosecution. I don't see best practices and the evolution of such to play an important role. Wish I had more time.

Again, thanks for the comments.

R'O
Clint said…
@R'O- you wont get ANY disagreement out of me that the government tries to control every aspect and element of our life. Just like the current joke of a health care "reform" bill. I agree that health needs to be available to all..but being force fed obama's crap isn't the way. The gov't needs to let some of these things work their way out. I also agree with you that if brothers get mad at each other and go have a fight than the police should stay out of it. BUT, if a husband beats the crap out of his wife then he needs to go to jail..I have never agreed with a man putting his hands on a woman. And once again, you're righ that alot of it starts at home. Unfortunately family values have largely been tossed out like last weeks garbage. A lot of families spend little or no time together. The biggest influence on the children seem to be teachers, daycare providers, and peers. Unfortunately so many are too busy chasing the all mighty dollar to care who's raising the children. Latch key kids, video games, and the streets- all of which are poor replacements for mom and dad..and some one on one time, meals eaten together, family vacations and when needed a good ol butt whoopin.
The current way "meantally ill" are being delt with are exactly as you say- WRONG! I think MHMR (at least in Texas) is a worthless waste of money and resources. Putting a call in to them is as worthless as locking them up. I wish they would cut MHMR services if they are not going to do anything. We have to take our MHMR patients to Austin (if they have a bed) if not San Antonio (if not there) the El Paso 700 plus miles away. And FYI most of the time Austin and San Antonio are outta the question. Resources prohibit us from taking them to El Paso, so consequently they usually go to the hospital and from there MHMR deems them to be "okay"..writes them a new 'script and kicks back out onto the street. Never truly addressing the problem or the illness. Anyway, sorry for getting on my soap box..I will digress for now.

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